Comments on: Are Baptists Part of the Protestant Reformation? http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/ Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:22:59 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: allenmickle http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-2369 allenmickle Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:09:38 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-2369 Glad you found my site even though you might disagree! I acknowledge the birth of the church in the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2. The "added" to them would be those who initially received this baptism. We of course must disagree. Historically it is true that those who first named the name of Baptist derive from the English Separatists who of course come out of the Protestant Reformation. Baptists have shared more in common with this group theologically than Anabaptists (early Baptists specifically tried to avoid being associated with Anabaptists). I would love to see evidence how the magesterial reformers actually hated Baptists (and I do not mean Anabaptists). And of course, many would hotly disagree with your thinking on Calvin. But that is perfectly fine. We of course can agree to disagree. But the groups that you mention (i.e. Waldensians, etc.) all held to heterdox theology which, just because they practiced believer's baptism does not make them Baptist, and in fact we should be careful to align ourselves with their false teachings. Thanks for the interaction though! Glad you found my site even though you might disagree!

I acknowledge the birth of the church in the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2. The “added” to them would be those who initially received this baptism.

We of course must disagree. Historically it is true that those who first named the name of Baptist derive from the English Separatists who of course come out of the Protestant Reformation. Baptists have shared more in common with this group theologically than Anabaptists (early Baptists specifically tried to avoid being associated with Anabaptists).

I would love to see evidence how the magesterial reformers actually hated Baptists (and I do not mean Anabaptists). And of course, many would hotly disagree with your thinking on Calvin. But that is perfectly fine. We of course can agree to disagree. But the groups that you mention (i.e. Waldensians, etc.) all held to heterdox theology which, just because they practiced believer’s baptism does not make them Baptist, and in fact we should be careful to align ourselves with their false teachings.

Thanks for the interaction though!

]]> By: S. Griffith http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-2367 S. Griffith Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:05:54 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-2367 The church did not begin on the day of Pentecost. The church began when Jesus called out his disciples. At Pentecost the Word says, and there were "added unto them", who is the "them?" The church of Jesus Christ which was already in existance. I am not a Protestant. I am a Baptist that can trace my beliefs through the Word of God to the time of the disciples. We went by other names, Waldenses, Donatists, Paulicians and yes Anabaptists. We do have a connection with all of these. But Baptist have no connection with the Reformers....Calvin, Zwingli, Augustine, Luther...all hated Baptists...especially Calvin the Murderer. The church did not begin on the day of Pentecost. The church began when Jesus called out his disciples. At Pentecost the Word says, and there were “added unto them”, who is the “them?” The church of Jesus Christ which was already in existance.

I am not a Protestant. I am a Baptist that can trace my beliefs through the Word of God to the time of the disciples. We went by other names, Waldenses, Donatists, Paulicians and yes Anabaptists. We do have a connection with all of these. But Baptist have no connection with the Reformers….Calvin, Zwingli, Augustine, Luther…all hated Baptists…especially Calvin the Murderer.

]]> By: Maranatha http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-1928 Maranatha Fri, 30 May 2008 21:54:28 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-1928 http://thetrailofblood.blogspot.com/ http://thetrailofblood.blogspot.com/

]]> By: allenmickle http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-1927 allenmickle Fri, 30 May 2008 17:53:56 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-1927 Greetings, This is Allen, not Tim but that's okay. It may be popular to debunk the "true line" thought but it is nothing new as Baptists in the 17th century for the most part argued against a successionist position as being Roman Catholic. I study this as Baptist history is my main area of study, but perhaps unfortunately, I am very settled on the English 17th century Separatist approach. Blessings, Allen Mickle Greetings,

This is Allen, not Tim but that’s okay. It may be popular to debunk the “true line” thought but it is nothing new as Baptists in the 17th century for the most part argued against a successionist position as being Roman Catholic. I study this as Baptist history is my main area of study, but perhaps unfortunately, I am very settled on the English 17th century Separatist approach.

Blessings,

Allen Mickle

]]> By: Maranatha http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-1926 Maranatha Fri, 30 May 2008 17:49:16 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-1926 Thanks Tim... My Blog is in the making... Its a very popular thing these days to bunk succesion of a "True Line" of Christs Church. But It is something that deserves more than a casual study... Im glad your looking at it in depth... but dont declare the matter concluded... Christ is not back yet and he will have the final say. Maranatha Thanks Tim…
My Blog is in the making… Its a very popular thing these days to bunk succesion of a “True Line” of Christs Church. But It is something that deserves more than a casual study… Im glad your looking at it in depth… but dont declare the matter concluded… Christ is not back yet and he will have the final say.
Maranatha

]]> By: allenmickle http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-961 allenmickle Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:23:08 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-961 Pearson, Thanks. Not much original to me in it. Most of it derives from Dr. Priest. He was a good teacher! Allen Pearson,

Thanks. Not much original to me in it. Most of it derives from Dr. Priest. He was a good teacher!

Allen

]]> By: Pearson http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-959 Pearson Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:20:16 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-959 Allen, Thanks for the summary. It is helpful. Thankful to be a Baptist, Pearson Allen,
Thanks for the summary. It is helpful.
Thankful to be a Baptist,
Pearson

]]> By: allenmickle http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-955 allenmickle Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:55:44 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-955 Tim, Glad you approve! I hope it is helpful to people. It needs to be expanded. Maybe that's something for you to work on too! Daniel, Always good to hear from our Presbyterian friends! Glad you agree! Allen Tim,

Glad you approve! I hope it is helpful to people. It needs to be expanded. Maybe that’s something for you to work on too!

Daniel,

Always good to hear from our Presbyterian friends! Glad you agree!

Allen

]]> By: Daniel Ritchie http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-951 Daniel Ritchie Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:06:48 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-951 Baptists are part of the Protestant Reformation, as they are not Anabaptists. And that is from a psalm-singing Presbyterian. Baptists are part of the Protestant Reformation, as they are not Anabaptists. And that is from a psalm-singing Presbyterian.

]]> By: Tim http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-943 Tim Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:57:44 +0000 http://allenmickle.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/are-baptists-part-of-the-protestant-reformation/#comment-943 Excellent summary. I got out my "Baptist History" text which I used in College (thirty years ago) and intended to write something similar but was soon overwhelmed with the dates and different groups. You did an excellent job of summarizing and getting to the point. I was taught that Baptists pre-dated the Reformation and were, therefore, not to be identified in any way with the Reformation or Protestants. I've always felt that this was a bit too simplistic and perhaps even a bit naive. Baptistic groups may have existed before the Reformation but the Reformation certainly helped Baptists reform and refine the doctrines that we hold dear. Thanks for a good article. Excellent summary. I got out my “Baptist History” text which I used in College (thirty years ago) and intended to write something similar but was soon overwhelmed with the dates and different groups. You did an excellent job of summarizing and getting to the point.
I was taught that Baptists pre-dated the Reformation and were, therefore, not to be identified in any way with the Reformation or Protestants. I’ve always felt that this was a bit too simplistic and perhaps even a bit naive.
Baptistic groups may have existed before the Reformation but the Reformation certainly helped Baptists reform and refine the doctrines that we hold dear.
Thanks for a good article.

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